And even if he did not kill them twice so to speak, he killed the on in front of the other with no thoughts to their fear levels or anything but yet you put all the blame on another of the victims. Part of the evidence that he put into the trash. Therefore your theory is not valid. If you believe that Chris didnt kill his daughters, then why on earth did he dump their bodies in oil tanks like they were trash? No, I dont believe she was drinking at all, considering she was pregnant. Very hard to think a dad can do that but my ex just turned, didnt want any of his family anymore and still has very little contact for the past 8 years. Those were my kids. He claimed he saw Shanann on top of Cece and that they were blue. He said he lost it and choked Shanann. She wouldnt have gone to bed without her phone. Usually when suffocation happens, its not only quiet but you dont see the victims face, while strangulation you see it all. On page six of the report in the General Internal Examination findings, it states:- For the sake that they did poop, youre assuming he didnt clean it up in the bed. If you cant respect others in their opinions and input, youre definitely not intelligent. He said kidnap somebody, murder somebody. My question is how do you smother someone with your bare handscover/press their nostrils and mouths? I have watched/listened to a lot of Nicks videos and am now working my way through his books, and I can honestly say that he is impartial and simply digs deep into the why of the case. I guess since theyre children and small its possible. We cannot have that thing on earth with us. Chris stated that his wife smothered her children and im sure hes lying but i was hoping to read somewhere here of proof that chris also smothered his kids. Chris said Shanann arrived home from a trip. I have to point out that Shanann DID have marks on her face there was a line of small circular bruises running from beneath her chin and up the left side of her face towards her temple. I will say one thing CW did NOT doat least he didnt rape his baby girlsha, like that makes him a good man, Yo i bet that thrive shit gave her that gallstone. He runs into Ceces room & walks up to Shannan. If we can believe his scenario, that also sounds like Shannn wasnt trying to kill her daughter like Chris thought, which meant neither of them killed her which leaves someone who must have entered the home by using an access code that wouldnt trip the alarm and I wonder who that might be ((cough*mistress*cough)) if Chriss scenario is correct of course! If you read through the autopsies very well you will see that the oldest girl, Bella, actually bit her tongue several times and had many injuries in her mouth. Bellas stomach contained 75 milliliters of green-black fluid, the report states, which was most likely from the oil tank she was placed inside. Christopher was sentenced to life in pri Wow, you are really reaching here. What is going on?? This put undo pressure on the marriage and Chris being the douche bag he is, it was too much pressure to perform I beleive. The phone was found in the cushions of that upstairs couch, not the downstairs couch. To the extent on the spectrum that it played out is the horror. He said Shanann said she was going to a friends house with their two kids. Had he planned this out, he would have killed them earlier, left in the middle of the night, in the dark, to dispose of the bodiesnot as the sun was coming up as seen in the tape. I found nothing unusual with that part. Page 453 The kids died afterward, otherwise he would have to break bones due to rigor to get them through the hatch. A trillion to bullshit thats what they are!!! Nickole called Chris several times and he kept giving different arrival times. I take comfort in that, Bella and Cee Cee likely had no idea it was their dad doing that to them, but he wouldve wanted Shanann to know he was ending her life. Ugh. Im convinced that he did the same to Shanann. He resented how close they all were and was sadistic enough to hurt her. Also, wasnt her phone found in between couch cushions. @Nickvdl IMO I think he strangled her from behind and on their bed. Her spouse has a religious obsession/addiction; I think youll see similarities. Exhausting and she was pregnant. Remember that Chris was sleeping in the basement at this time so they werent sharing a bed. I have high praise for you, you are excellent at what you do. I think he came up behind her as she was getting ready for bed, after her long trip, and he put her in a choke hold then. They were invited by Shannans family to attend the funerals and did not even show. ShanAnn claimed to be pulling down $80,000 a year. Do you think she was murdered elsewhere? Smothering is albeit horrific, a more a gentle or approach that a mother may take. Do you think her phone ended up where it was because thats how and where it left her hand? ShanAnn was, to put it simply, addicted to her MLM lifestyle and that was the most important thing in her life. I am not saying he touched the purse. Ive considered morphine [since Shanann was a lupus sufferer, and needed strong pain meds], but morphine should have come up in the autopsy. She was wearing a black or gray t-shirt and blue underwear. Yes, Posted Youtube videos shows that her office was messy. My son has many medical issues as well, doesnt make me a hypochondriac ffs she isnt here to defend herself maybe back off a bit. They are good at lying and work very hard at appearing normal and very important to be liked. In the interrogation CW was blaming Shannan for killing the girls, and in the next breath trying to protect NK. She was pregnant some women have very sore breasts when pregnant and the bra adds support & comfort. Like you, I believe the children were sedated, and possibly Shanann as well. Then he felt he had to kill CeCe too. But yeah I really think he was being nicer to her to assure she had her guard down when he murdered her; which was when she was sleeping, on the sofa upstairs on her phone or laptop, or god forbid he initiated some kind of intimacy that turned into her death. Every detail was wrong for them as a couple and as a family. Im just saying if her friend had never come over. like others, cannot wrap my brain around his behavior. I am of the opinion that: Bella was unconscious but still breathing when she was forced brutally into the oil tank, and her injuries were sustained during this push. Ive wondered if he made her a drink when she got home, a smoothie with some type of alcohol that you wouldnt taste in it to knock her out because she didnt drink. Did Chris Watts not mind his wife Shanann humiliating him on Facebook? My opinion, when Nicole Atkinson said Shanann was OCD, I think she was using the term loosely, as a description, not a diagnosed disorder. The kids had two wack jobs for parents. If youre not OCD, it doesnt mean Shanann wasnt. The girls were wearing nightgowns, Cece a pink nightgown with birds on it, and Bellas nightgown had a unicorn or believe on it. 5 PM the previous evening, as many of us believe, then by the time he was ready to pass them through the thief hatches, theyd be pliable again. He had a schedule and he was sticking to it. She just laid there still because he was in such a rage? Kind of comforting too if they were unconscious when murdered they wouldnt have died in fear and terror. Chris is a monster. In the new clip, the cold-hearted killer is wearing t-shirt, shorts and flip flops as officers secure. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/12/lkl.01.html, There are more details about the Watts precarious and declining financial situation in the body of this article as well: https://shakedowntitle.com/tag/scott-peterson/. I love that guy. Dont mislead people into believing there should be feces in the location of a murder. Notice she was undressed when found. One thing that was truthful that came out of NKs mouth was that he lied about everything. I was VERY proud of my being able to take down the biggest man in my class. His integrity shows through all the time. No, ONE fully-formed, perfect adult and TWO fully-formed, perfect BABIES. Between the two preferences, a lot of interaction was visible. A CHOKEHOLD usually involves cutting off the air supply, (air choke or tracheal choke) a STRANGLEHOLD involves cutting off the blood supply. Can anyone comment about the oil content in the one childs stomach? Police reportsThe oil drums where the bodies were found. I was married to someone, super attentive dad, husband. Even the few days shannan was gone. Then he agreed to go to Aspen with her for the weekend following her death. No traces of fecal material found, but in the Rohde case there were fecal traces. The reports concluded that all three victims died of asphyxiation Shanann was strangled while the two girls were smothered, according to the reports. 2. Of course we dont know what shes talking about. Chris Watts is the subject of a new Netflix series called American Murder: The Family Next Door. The two girls were found in oil drums. Peanuts and tree nuts are VERY different, and supposedly CeCe had a *tree nut* allergy coconut, not peanuts! Chris worked at a petroleum manufacturing company. She often plied them with food and treats and I just felt like she needed to set some boundaries. Not everyone poops when they die, in fact most do not. Ella no tomaba ni la basura tampoco, lo dijo la nana de las bebs. RIP Angels. Meredith Kercher is a famous example. The DA explained that it is due to decomposition and the body breaking down. Police reportsPhotos of the Watts family in the police reports. She had everything she needed on the ground floor kitchen for food and drink, office to make haircare purchases, bathroom and toilet and a big sofa with a huge blanket left on it as shown in the initial welfare check police body-cam footage. On Aug. 13, 2018, Chris strangled Shanann, 34, in their Colorado home. When asked if they were going to find any marks on her during his confession he said I dont think so and when asked why he said it was because she didnt fight back because I was in such a rage Tell me how that makes any sense at all? It is my observation that Bella was unconscious but still breathing when she was and stomped on her head to get her into the tank. Please explain. She said on one video her kitchen has to be very clean, I know people that have spotless kitchens but rest of house is a mess. Hope he has a wonderful time rotting and thinking about what hes done to his family. Not Shanann! I believe it was to make her feel more at ease, able to sleep instead of up all night crying. The next morning, visible fingerprints (the circular marks on Shaanns autopsy), so visible that others took notice. Chris Watts. 3. But thats me. The police reports contain several photos showing the oil drums where the childrens bodies were found. Shananns Autopsy Report states, There is a linear array of variably sized, purple black circular defects which extend from the inferior aspect of the chin, along the jawline, up the left aspect of the face, towards the left temporal area. Celeste and Bellas bodies were each inside one of the tanks. Even in this scenario, you would expect fingernails in his forearm if Watts managed a rapid 10 second kill. Infuriating! One of the unknowns in this case is why Watts did what he did. I believe the frenulum injury could be explained from the process of stuffing her head through the thief hatch post mortem it was a tight squeeze with the larger child. SWs flight delay was bad news, but since hed already gotten the girls out of the way, there was nothing left but to proceed with getting rid of SW and he almost got away with it. The carpet was cleaned, and laundry done in the Peterson case. Bella was face up in the oil tank. It would be tiring to lug it upstairs and she might not have wanted to make any noise. The LeVel MLM was a huge contributing factor in this familys financial collapse. That seems to have been nothing but getting manicures, shopping, and making videos. While officers were waiting, Christopher confessed to killing Shanann, and getting rid of the bodies of Celeste and Bella. Youre not Shanann Watts. He needed to be executed. Bella and Celeste were thrown away, the prosecutor said adding that investigators found scratch marks on one of the girls bodies and tufts of hair on the opening to one of the oil tanks, the television station reported. No other way to put it. The graphic autopsy reports detail the condition of all three bodies after they were recovered from an oil site owned by Anadarko Petroluem, where Chris Watts buried them. https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/public_comments/trade-regulation-rule-disclosure-requirements-and-prohibitions-concerning-business-opportunities-ftc.r511993-00010%C2%A0/00010-57283.pdf. A . No evidence of cake or undigested dinner. They were out of town and it was still spotless. Then I think he went into the girls rooms. He was holding me down by sitting on me, one leg on each side of my stomache. Esophageal strictures are typically treated with a procedure called esophageal dilation, during which a physician uses a small balloon to stretch open the scar tissue causing the narrowing in the esophagus. Watts at first tried to claim that when he told Shanann he wanted a separation, she killed their daughters. She loved her kids more than he did, obviously!! Chokeholds and Strangleholds are used in martial arts, combat sports, self-defence, law enforcement and in military hand to hand combat applications. They then start putting the idea in his head what happened, did one of the kids die & Shannan killed the other one & herself? When you are larger or they are tender, especially when pregnant, it is easier to sleep in them. Shanann Watts. He was presented with evidence before the plea deal, and we dont know the content of those conversations. Dont forget, she is pregnant. According to the arrest affidavit and footage from a security camera in the interview room, he failed a polygraph test and subsequently confessed to murdering Shanann. Terrifying to think he could have put them in the tanks still alive but incapacitated. Debbie do you have a link to that 411 Documentary please? That sounds very very snarky. Chris Watts' plan was to make his family disappear. And to come home to a cheating bum! I didnt know what else to do. Shan'ann Watts -Autopsy,grave details.Graphic! I also have seen that neighbors vid of the loading of truck & see a female in video helping him load up , and even a small luve figure of a child. And dropped her in alive? Based on the clothing they were found in, probably Chris pretended to be asleep. Chris Watts strangled and smothered his pregnant wife Shanann, 34, to death, before strangling their daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3, with a blanket in 2018. A persons muscles relax upon death, including the sphincter. OCD can be like gluten-sensitivities. And fyi, I am not going to use the actual pictures/videos in my project. Or perhaps Chris had one with himself by way of rationalizing killing his family, although I dont think it was emotional. He really thought he could get away with this? Police photoA sheet was found near where Shanann was buried. Why would she quit her job to be a stay-at-home mom and then put the tots right into full-time daycare? That goes against every human primal instinct we have, it just wouldnt happen. Shannan was a hypochondriac, who was gonna turn her kids into the same. CW said he was not a monster because in his opinion he killed them humanely. Murdering someone through strangulation doesnt take that long. Fecal traces also missing in the Zahau case. Ive linked an article below for everyone to read about how harmful perpetuating this lie is. Pee and Poo Makes sense since Shanann has zero marks indicating a struggle, I thought from the jump that she wasnt even awake when he killed her. 4. B . Carol, I think you are absolutely spot on, and on all points too. Unless youd take that as he was going on the run with them, which I highly doubt. Sounds like a good theory except that Bella did fight for her life as the coroner explained by the hole in her frenulum, the biting of her tongue & insides of her cheeks. The reports also show that Shananns fetus had been expelled from her body, which was buried in a shallow grave. Same with NK. You get to know the people involved in a criminal investigation pretty well after writing 4 x 30 000+ word narratives. give me a break. Maybe im not reading this correctly or i missed it but what proof does this autopsy shows that chris beyond a reasonable doubt killed his kids? At the time of her death, Shanann had been 15 weeks pregnant (via MEAWW). It takes 4 5 hours for a stomach to empty after eating. while he killed them one after another. She is OCD and very ritualistic in nature. It was the early hours of the morning, she was pregnant, fed up with airport holdups and storms, and tired. I think she was then taken, with her children, out of the rear of the property for concealment. You should apologise to him actually for your rude remarks in your comment. 100% agree. He still murdered a sick pregnant wife and two innocent children. Unless you count her phone. Ive been sleeping in my bra during my pregnancy- because my chest hurts all the time and taking it off even to shower is extremely uncomfortable. The cadaver dogs noted no presence of bodies in the basement however. That could explain what possibly happened to Bella if she woke up and was going to see what was going on. He knew that he would be at those oil tanks by himself that morning. She was an environmental science person. Theres also a serious fundamental problem with your theory, which goes to the forensics. Considering the size of shananns house before they moved there. Chris Watts is a narcissistic cold blooded killer of children and their mother. Im sure if he were pretending to sleep she would have been so tired she would have gone to sleep right away, thinking well talk in the morning, things will be better tomorrow. The autopsy report said that Shanann had a "history of being reported. No one deserves what happened to those kids and their mother-you have issues. Mechanical compression with blood vessels in the neck (as in a Stranglehold) causes a reduction in oxygenation of the brain, leading to cerebral hypoxia/ischaemia, anaerobic metabolism, and acidaemia/acidosis (similar to the effects of cardiac arrest on the brain (Longstreth 2001). It was already reported that Shannan evacuated her bowels when dying and that is why he took the sheet off, He told police that. Nor did any part of whats left of a moral consciousness scream what are you doing?!!! The only thing that could have screwed with this is that $69 charge to the Lazy Dog. Otherwise I cant imagine why she didnt go for his eyes etc. But considering she seemed to be an amazing mother, I highly doubt she was drinking. There was no oil in Ceces stomach. He had strangled me while I was pinned down to the floor, face up. Death by asphyxiation in each case. If she was murdered in bed, why isnt there any evidence of that? I hope he gets what he deserves while he is in prison!!!!!! I think Chris pretended to be asleep because I think hes a coward and wouldnt have wanted to interact with her. She texted her GF talking about her being a single mom when she separated from Chris. Explains why Shanann didnt fight back. The body is that of a well-developed, well-nourished although decomposing Caucasian female whose appearance is generally You can pooh-pooh OCD if its not you, but OCD especially for someone with a chronic disease tends to be quite significant. stop, stop. . This sick bastard should have done everyone a favor and took his own life. Shanann was in there with her on top of her. But there were some issues. This is an excellent theory and makes a TON of sense!!! Hey, I appreciate ppls input but to act all high and mighty and be disrespectful of others by trying to make them look and feel like idiotsI dont care how much you know or how smart you are. Chris cleaned all that up so quickly and completely?. As far as the BAC goes, it had been over 100 hours from the estimated time of death to when the samples were taken at autopsy. Im thinking the girls were killed after Shanann because he knew she would look in on them, perhaps kiss them, before turning to bed herself. Shed been drinking?? I believe he killed her while she was sleeping, would have been easy to trap her arms under covers. Her legs would have been free, but if he was high up on her chest I doubt she would have been able to even get him with her knees, they would not have reached him. I am new to this case, a couple of months of watching/listening to your videos Nick, and I am now working my way through your books. But I am of course hoping that she was totally unaware in her unconsciousness. While I agree MLM is 100% a pyramid scheme and bad news and that the long term use of their products probably do more harm than good (e.g. Everyone on here who has mentioned ocd has an opinion formed by stereotypes theyve heard. She was not drinking while pregnant! Shannann even said that he was like another person. Defining post mortem bruising requires qualified scientific investigation. Shannan did not have any marks on her face indicative of a punch, slap, or anything at all. didnt attempt it herself. https://www.childrenshospital.org/conditions-and-treatments/conditions/e/esophageal-strictures, a medical history significant for peanut allergies. I think she was going to do what most of us who suspect our man of cheating would do, see who the server was, and go to the restaurant with a pic of Chris & ask who he was in there with. Neither of them passed any body fluids. I see it is listed as pronounced and no estimates of time for cause of death? Once the body dies the lower digestive tract opens up. -nickvdl. They should have been talked to later. This was filmed during the police officers body cam footage. As noted by Crime Watch Daily, police recovered her body in the Frederick area. Celestes stomach was empty. Because he said hed never hurt his girls? So that indicates perhaps that she and Bella were murdered around the same time as Shanann Im guessing. Thats why the strangulation was gentle, not violent, as the hyoid was not broke, and there were no defensive wounds to her or him. When people die, sudden or expected, contents of their bowels and bladder are expelled. I was writing in a passion. I consider it strange to have them there FT at their age, given the business she was inseems like it could have been done around an at home schedule for the girls, IMO. He cared more about his 2 month relationship with that home wrecker then the 6 years he spent with his wife and the lives of his children. Chris Watts was convicted of murdering his pregnant wife Shanann, their unborn child, and their two children, Celeste and Bella, ages 4 and 3. To do her business? Anyway, this is the scenario I would paint if I were the prosecutor in the case. Ive been on those late flight arrivals often. Police photos what proof does this autopsy shows that chris beyond a reasonable doubt killed his kids?. Chris probably told shannan that shed never see the kids again.. They didnt do date nights. He is responsible for his own actions, many people live with worse and dont kill anyone. Also just because she was strangled and they were suffocated doesnt mean dirt. And that she looked at him as she died. Youre obviously trolling! He said he didnt hurt Shannan just as much, Ive read all the transcripts. Thats a power-nap another thing MLM folk are good at. She seemed to be in pajamas which indicates she got into bed, which sickly matches up with his barely got into bed remark, The sheets were stripped because they probably got pulled off anyway during the act. I have come to think of her OCD tendencies as a bit like the way she was around her kids. Cheryl: If Chris did that, he definitely has to die. He is a monster. So when he pulls her off theres not one last gasping breath, she dies at that exact moment and theres nothing Chris can do but kill Shannan!!!! I think His story is believable. Do you think youre asking for reasonable evidence that would be commonplace and easy to produce? The bra thing means nothing, my daughter is big busted as well and slept in her bra when she was pregnant because her breasts that were tender were less bothersome at night if she wore one. And in his own words under his own free will he admitted he act it killed his kids twice before that was ever said. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/12/lkl.01.html, https://shakedowntitle.com/tag/scott-peterson/, http://www.timescall.com/ci_32281483/autopsy-reports-show-shanann-watts-daughters-were-asphyxiated, https://letsqueerthingsup.com/2018/05/12/i-didnt-know-i-had-ocd-heres-why-the-stereotypes-are-so-harmful/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYC7bHIzuqE, https://crimerocket.com/2018/11/02/shanann-watts-intended-to-brand-baby-niko-and-credit-thrive-for-her-perfect-pregnancy-but-her-plan-backfired/, https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-woman-made-a-life-changing-decision-after-her-husband-gave-600000-to-a-cult-2017-07-10, Christopher Watts: What else do we know? MYTH: OCD IS JUST ABOUT HAND-WASHING, CLEANING, AND BEING NEAT. There was a largely decomposed fetus expelled from the uterus. Shanann is very OCD [McKenna Lindstrom, the babysitter]. How do THESE people know? 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